Backfire Question - Guild Wars Forums

mbecker · Apr 12, 2005, 12:01 AM // 00:01

The text for Backfire reads:

For 10 seconds, whenever target foe casts a spell, that foe takes 22 damage.

Does this mean upon successful completion of the spell? Or at the start of casting. Backfire would be entirely negated if you decided to interupt your opponents castings, unless the damage was done when they started casting.

Can someone clear this up for me? Damage at start of cast or when spell is actually cast?

walder · Apr 12, 2005, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Its the start of the spell. If a Monk is at 10 health and casts Orison of Healing, and your Backfire does 22 damage, that Monk will die even though the heal is for more than the damage Backfire does.

mbecker · Apr 12, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Yes! Score, thanks a million. My build can proceed.

*bows graciously*

Ensign · Apr 12, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Except he answered the question wrong.

Backfire triggers on the completion of the spell - it doesn't even have to be active when they start casting. If they are interrupted, Backfire does not trigger.

Peace,
-CxE

walder · Apr 12, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Bah. So if your Backfire doesn't do as much damage as the heal your target will live? Or was it just the interruption part that I got wrong.

mbecker · Apr 12, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Upon completion of spell casting Backfire will hit the target. That's what Ensign is saying. If he's right, oh well.

What I think Walder was answering is if the spell effect or the Backfire effect hits first.

Thanks to you both this is a lot clearer.

Keramon · Apr 12, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Ensign is correct,

If you have a 100 damage backfire on you and cast a heal for 70 ... They both take effect and you take 30 damage.

March Hare · Apr 12, 2005, 04:28 AM // 04:28

I used backfire a lot in the last BWE. Most of the time I was targeting healer first anyway as I tend to lean towards an anti-caster type. Most of the time for PvE it worked quite well, it only worked in GvG when the monk's wern't paying attention to waht was inflicted on them. So basically I found in PvE it worked great

, GvG so-so

. Not a bad spell overall if you have a decent amount of points allocated to it

mbecker · Apr 12, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keramon

Ensign is correct,

If you have a 100 damage backfire on you and cast a heal for 70 ... They both take effect and you take 30 damage.

Monk has 50 health.
Casts Orison of Healing for 50 health
Backfire is poised to do 70 damage.

Does the monk die, or is he healed for 50, then hit for 70 and still survive with 30 life?

In what order do the effects go off? Or is it simultaneous?

Davion · Apr 12, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

As Ensign stated.... backfire is triggered upon spell completion..so no..you won't die.

50hp....+50hp - 70hp = 30hp (you live off the end result)

Apr 12, 2005, 12:01 AM // 00:01	#1
mbecker Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Backfire Question The text for Backfire reads: For 10 seconds, whenever target foe casts a spell, that foe takes 22 damage. Does this mean upon successful completion of the spell? Or at the start of casting. Backfire would be entirely negated if you decided to interupt your opponents castings, unless the damage was done when they started casting. Can someone clear this up for me? Damage at start of cast or when spell is actually cast?

Apr 12, 2005, 12:03 AM // 00:03	#2
walder Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005	Its the start of the spell. If a Monk is at 10 health and casts Orison of Healing, and your Backfire does 22 damage, that Monk will die even though the heal is for more than the damage Backfire does. __________________ Robotic Chuck Norris owes you Nothing!

Apr 12, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36	#4
Ensign Just Plain Fluffy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkeley, CA Guild: Idiot Savants	Except he answered the question wrong. Backfire triggers on the completion of the spell - it doesn't even have to be active when they start casting. If they are interrupted, Backfire does not trigger. Peace, -CxE __________________ Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

Apr 12, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55	#5
walder Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005	Bah. So if your Backfire doesn't do as much damage as the heal your target will live? Or was it just the interruption part that I got wrong. __________________ Robotic Chuck Norris owes you Nothing!

Apr 12, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04	#7
Keramon Rogue Agent Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Surfers Paradise	Ensign is correct, If you have a 100 damage backfire on you and cast a heal for 70 ... They both take effect and you take 30 damage. __________________ Keramon :cool:

Apr 12, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21	#3
mbecker Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Yes! Score, thanks a million. My build can proceed. bows graciously

Apr 12, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59	#6
mbecker Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Upon completion of spell casting Backfire will hit the target. That's what Ensign is saying. If he's right, oh well. What I think Walder was answering is if the spell effect or the Backfire effect hits first. Thanks to you both this is a lot clearer.

Apr 12, 2005, 04:28 AM // 04:28	#8
March Hare Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wonderland Guild: Knights of Ascalon Profession: W/Me	I used backfire a lot in the last BWE. Most of the time I was targeting healer first anyway as I tend to lean towards an anti-caster type. Most of the time for PvE it worked quite well, it only worked in GvG when the monk's wern't paying attention to waht was inflicted on them. So basically I found in PvE it worked great , GvG so-so . Not a bad spell overall if you have a decent amount of points allocated to it

Apr 12, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28	#10
Davion Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: wherever the winds take me Profession: R/Mo	As Ensign stated.... backfire is triggered upon spell completion..so no..you won't die. 50hp....+50hp - 70hp = 30hp (you live off the end result)